The fate of the wicked

My son wrote this essay and I’m glad to share it.

The Fate of the Wicked: What happens to people that do not follow God?
by Tommy Cacy

Intro: The purpose of this little paper is to layout and explain what the biblical view of the fate of the wicked. What happens to people that are not Yahweh (God) followers? Sinners that do not repent, where do they go? The traditional view is to Hell, but what does that mean exactly and why do we believe it? A sneak peak ahead is that a faithful biblical reader will NOT affirm burning forever in Hell (eternal conscious torment) — pain and suffering without ceasing day and night. A faithful reader of the Bible would conclude that the wicked will be killed. Destroyed. Cease to exist. The rest of the paper will be dedicated to supporting and defending this idea.

NOTE: Firstly, I want to start by knowing nothing. No preconceived notions that come from church traditions, but just reading what the bible says. No view on Hell, and we will wait for the Bible to explain. After that, I will deal with the so-called problem verses

What does the Bible say about the wicked

Diving into the Bible verses that talk about what happens when people disobey God (i.e the wicked), also known as sin. Starting off with the first mention of sin in Gen 2:17: 

“But from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you shall surely die.”

 In this case, if you disobey God, you die. Pretty simple and is laid out very quickly in the Bible. No reason to think death means something other than normal death. Another section about the fate of the wicked is Psalm 37. This has a lot more content and so I will spend more time on it. 

The whole Psalm is about the righteous and the wicked and what happens to them. David is urging everyone to obey God, be righteous, and his reasons for this are the rewards and punishments of the righteous and wicked, contrasting the two so we can make an informed decision about where out behavior will take us. Below I have cut snippets out of the psalm for brevity, only including the verses that talk about the wicked and highlighting the sections that talk about what happens to them.

“Do not fret because of evildoers;
do not be envious of doers of wickedness.
2 For like the grass they will dry up quickly,
and like green vegetation they will wither.

9 For evildoers will be cut off,
but those who wait for Yahweh—
they will possess the land.
10 And yet a little while and the wicked will not be,
and you will look carefully upon his place, but he will not be.

14 The wicked have drawn the sword and have bent their bow
to throw down the poor and the needy,
to kill those upright in their way.
15 Their sword will enter into their own heart,
and their bows shall be broken.

19 They will not be put to shame in distressing times,
and in the days of famine they will be satisfied.
20 But the wicked will perish,
and the enemies of Yahweh will be like the splendor of the pastures.
They vanish; in smoke they vanish.

22 For those blessed by him shall possess the land,
but those cursed by him shall be cut off.

35 I have seen the wicked acting violently
and spreading himself out
like a luxuriant native tree.
36 Then he passed on and behold, he was not.
And I sought him, but he could not be found.
37 Observe the blameless and look at the upright,
for there is a future for a man of peace.
38 But transgressors shall be destroyed altogether.
The future of the wicked shall be cut off.

That last part there — “destroyed all together” — seems definitive. They will not exist anymore. Vanishing like smoke, they will perish. You will look for them, but they are not. Their own sword will pierce their own heart. They will wither like grass. 

I cannot see any other way to understand this passage except that it is talking about death. The wicked are defeated, destroyed, cease to exist.

Another passage to look for is John 3:16: 

“For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.”

And John 10:27-28 

“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”

Both verses are contrasting what will happen to Jesus’s sheep (the righteous followers of Yahweh) and what happens to non-sheep (non-followers or the wicked). The righteous will not die but have eternal life. Not die like the wicked. Seems consistent with what David talks about in the Psalms and what Genesis says. The wicked will die, but the righteous will have eternal life. The contrast is between life and death. Not life in heaven and life in hell. That would be good life and bad life, but this is life and death. New and Old Testaments could not have explained it better. Righteous will live, wicked will die.

But what about the verses that talk about eternal conscious torment?

Now I will provide a defense of this reading of the Bible against what I think are the key verses used to explain Hell as eternal conscious torment. The first verse that I will tackle is Matthew 25:41-46. I will quote it below and add some highlights to what I would like to draw attention:

Then he will also say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed ones, into the eternal fire that has been prepared for the devil and his angels! 42 For I was hungry and you did not give me anything to eat, I was thirsty and you did not give me anything to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me as a guest, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not care for me.’ 44 Then they will also answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and not serve you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly I say to you, in as much as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will depart into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

So Matthew here recounts one of Jesus’s sermons about the fate of the wicked and the righteous. He goes through the real existence of hell as an eternal fire prepared for the enemies of God. He also cites some of the sins that can get you condemned and then outlines the punishment. It is eternal punishment. The punishment is eternal, of course, but what is the punishment? Eternal is just how long it will last but not what it is. We must infer from the reward for the righteous: life. 

Both the punishment and the reward are eternal. One is life and we are not told what the other one is, but it is only a small leap to show that if the righteous receives life, wicked receives not life which means of course death. Fortunately, we do not have to guess at what the punishment is. Psalm 37, John 3, and John 10 made it clear, but even better we have a clear description on what disobedience to God gets you — we have Romans 6:23:

23 For the compensation due sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

There you go. The reward for following God is life and even better eternal life. And the punishment for sin is death, and even worse eternal death. That is the plain reading of the verse. There is nothing in there to suggest what Jesus really mean was eternal pain by perpetual burning. He would really need to make that point clear, as anyone who has burned something knows, when you burn something, it is burned up and gone. So this verse agrees with the concept of Hell is where the wicked are sent to be destroyed and once they are destroyed they do not exist.

Another book often quoted to affirm eternal conscious torment is Revelation, specifically Rev 14:6-11

“9 And another third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself also will drink of the wine of the anger of God that has been mixed full strength in the cup of his wrath, and will be tortured with fire and sulphur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torture went up forever and ever, and those who worshiped the beast and his image did not have rest day and night, along with anyone who received the mark of his name.”

 and chapter 20:7-10:

“7 And when the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and he will go out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to assemble them for battle, whose number is like the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the fortified camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and consumed them. 10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulphur, where the beast and the false prophet also are, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”

Here is where we get the imagery of eternal conscious torment. Burning in Hell forever. From Rev 14 you can make a case that the smoke of their torment is eternal and not the torment itself but chapter 20 makes it clear that Satan and his followers are tormented day and night forever and ever. This seemingly disagrees with the other books of the Bible that outline death as the fate of the wicked, not torture.

The proper way to understand revelation is as Apocalyptic Literature: “it takes narrative form [and] employs esoteric language” (Britannica’s definition). It is rich in metaphors and symbols where all the character and symbols are stand-ins for something or someone else. It’s meant to give you an idea of what it will be like. In this way you have a symbol of something and then you need to figure out what that symbol means or represents. I will give an example of a symbol and its meaning from Revelation 17:3-6:

3 And he carried me away into the wilderness in the Spirit, and I saw a woman seated on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was dressed in purple and scarlet and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, holding a golden cup in her hand full of detestable things and the unclean things of her sexual immorality. 5 And on her forehead a name was written, a mystery: “Babylon the great, the mother of prostitutes and of the detestable things of the earth.” 6 And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the witnesses to Jesus.

Here we have a vision of a woman on a monster and the blood of saints and Jesus. So what does that all mean? Who is this woman? What monster is this? What does any of that mean?. Well, John (the author of Revelation) also is confused; we see this in the verses to follow (7-18):

“And I was greatly astonished when I saw her. 7 And the angel said to me, “Why are you astonished? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that has the seven heads and the ten horns that carries her. 8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is going to come up from the abyss, and he is going to destruction. And those who live on the earth, whose names are not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will be astonished when they see the beast that was, and is not, and will be present. 9 Here is the mind that has wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits and they are seven kings. 10 Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and whenever he comes it is necessary for him to remain a short time. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, is also himself an eighth, and is of the seven, and he is going to destruction. 12 And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they will receive authority as kings for one hour with the beast. 13 These have one opinion, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful.”
15 And he said to me, “The waters that you saw, where the prostitute is seated, are peoples and crowds and nations and languages. 16 And the ten horns that you saw and the beast, these will hate the prostitute and will make her desolate and naked, and they will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire. 17 For God put into their hearts to carry out his purpose and to make a unanimous decision[ and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18 And the woman that you saw is the great city that has sovereignty over the kings of the earth.”

Here the angel explains what the vision means. The waters represent the nations. The woman is the great city. The seven-headed monster represents seven hills and seven kings. All of these images and symbols have a meaning. Once you figure out what the image is, you need to figure out what the image represents and means. That is the pattern of Revelation and Apocalyptic Literature in general.

Back to Revelation 20, the image we can all agree is torment forever in the lake of fire. That is the symbol that is used for the punishment/fate of the wicked, but if you read on, you can see that John explains what that image/symbol means. Revelation 20:14 explains exactly what the image of eternal conscious torment means:

“And Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death—the lake of fire.”

The eternal conscious torment symbol means a second death. This brings the fate of the wicked described in Revelation into agreement with all the other passages that talk about the wicked being killed/destroyed/cease to exist.

Another verse that is used is Isaiah 66:24 combined with Mark 9:48. Mark 9:48 is a quote of Isaiah so I will only interact with Isaiah 66:24:

“And they shall go out and look at the corpses of the people who have rebelled against me,
for their worm shall not die,
    and their fire shall not be quenched,
        and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”

Here we can see the destruction of the wicked (people that rebelled): worms and fire is their punishment. It’s a fire that will not be quenched and a worm that shall not die. I do not see anything about their punishment lasting forever. The worm lives forever and the fire does not stop, but we see nothing about the wicked living forever. In fact, that very verse says they will die. What is a corpse but a dead body? That is how the wicked are described, the righteous will look for the dead bodies (corpses) of the rebels. How will the rebels die? By fire and worms. Earlier in the same chapter, Isaiah 66:15-16 says:

“For look! Yahweh will come in fire,
    and his chariots like the storm wind,
to give back his anger in wrath,
    and his rebuke in flames of fire.
16 For Yahweh enters into judgment on all flesh with fire and his sword,
    and those slain by Yahweh shall be many.”

God will come in fire and slay the wicked. The fire is from God and he will use it to kill the rebels, and worms will eat their corpses. The fire from God cannot be quenched. It will destroy the wicked.  

Pocket edition of the “wicked will be destroyed” theology 

  1. In Psalm 37, David talks about the fate of the wicked with words like “withered like grass”, “their sword will pierce their heart”, “they will perish”, “They will not be”, and finally “they will be destroyed altogether”.
  2. In John 3:16 and John 10:27-28, Jesus talks about how his followers will be saved from death, the punishment for their sins.
  3. In Mathew 25:41-46, Jesus says that the wicked will have an eternal punishment, and the righteous will have an eternal reward of life. The punishment is eternal (i.e everlasting), not eternally punished.
  4. In Romans 6:23, Paul says “the compensation of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord”.

    None of these talk about eternal conscious torment at all.

  5. Revelation 14:6-11 and 20:7-10 talk about eternal conscious torment but are symbols that are to be taken seriously but not literally. Revelation 20:14 explains what the lake of fire and the eternal conscious torment means: it means death.
  6. Revelation 17 has another example of a symbol and an explained meaning.
  7. Isaiah 66:24 talks about a worm and fire not dying, says nothing about the wicked and in fact talks about the dead bodies of the wicked so they are dead for sure. Verse 15 says God is going to slay them. They are also dead, not tormented forever.

Matthew 10:28 “And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but are not able to kill the soul, but instead be afraid of the one who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”

Prophesying in part

We charismatics like to use this verse to justify when a modern-day prophet makes a prophecy and it doesn’t come to pass:

1 Corinthians 13.9: For we know in part and we prophesy in part.


It seems we use “in part” to mean “could be incorrect.” Have you heard this? It’s exactly what I was taught how I should think about New Testament prophecy.

The idea I was taught is that Old Testament prophets were somehow overcome or controlled (or something) by God’s Spirit and so were able to prophesy without error. And it’s because of this perfect prophesy that the OT was able to have laws about how to know if a person is actually a prophet: what they say comes true. Here’s the go-to verse for that:

Deuteronomy 18.22: when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.


And I was taught that New Testament prophets are different in that they prophesy “in part” — they can make mistakes. They can tell us what they think is a word from God, and be wrong— and yet still be a prophet.

So how wrong can a prophet be and still be a prophet? I don’t think anyone ever gave a percentage. I do remember my pastor talking about a prophet in our church and saying he is about 30% correct and that’s a good percentage.

That really is a low bar.

And what is even worse (if it could be worse) is that when they get a prophecy wrong, I’ve seen the prophet shrug and quote this verse. You can just search the internet yourself and find any number of examples.

So is that what “in part” means? “Could be wrong?”

The Greek word Paul uses in the 1 Corinthians passage is merous. The power of modern Bible software is that we can find everywhere New Testament authors use this same word, and see how it’s used. Paul uses this word a total of 17 times. I put his uses into three categories:

  • A part of a whole (Rom 11.25, Rom 15.15, Rom 15.24, 1 Cor 11.18, 1 Cor 12.2, 1 Cor 13.9 (twice), 1 Cor 13.10, 1 Cor 13.12, 2 Cor 1.14, 2 Cor 2.5, 2 Cor 3.10, 2 Cor 9.3, Eph 4.16)
  • A location, either geographic or metaphorical (Eph 4.9)
  • participation (1 Cor 14.27, Col 2.16)

Take a look at that list. Does any verse give a sense of “incorrect?” Not even close!

What about the rest of the New Testament? I found the same results. You can run the search yourself and see that the uses fall into these same three categories, and at no time does it mean “incorrect.”

But I’ve heard very recently two men who gave a prophecy (which didn’t happen) and then said, “Oh well, we prophesy in part.”

I wonder if we get this idea from 1 Corinthians 13.10: “but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.” We define perfect as something like “without flaw” so conclude that partial must mean “flawed.” But what does Paul mean by perfect?

Paul uses this word (teleion in Greek) eight times. The ESV translates six of those times as “mature:” 1 Cor 2.6, 1 Cor 14.10, Eph 4.13, Phil 3.15, Col 1.28, Col 4.12. The word can definitely mean “flawless”as in Rom 12.2, so the question would be what it means in this passage in 1 Corinthians.

But think about it: even if Paul intends for this word to mean “flawless” in 1 Cor 13.10, that doesn’t make “in part” take on a meaning it has nowhere else. And the ESV translators recognize that: they DON’T translate it as “when the perfect comes, the imperfect will pass away,” as my old Revised Standard Version did. No, they say “the partial will pass away.”

So a better way to view “we prophesy in part” is to think of our prophecy as immature, or even better as incomplete. We don’t see everything; some information is left out. But when the perfect comes, then we will know fully.

So what do we do with Christians who say they are prophets but who give prophesies which don’t come true? I think we should follow the Deuteronomy passage: the prophet has spoken presumptuously, so we need not be afraid of him. We are not to hold these people in awe; they are false prophets.

Bliss, torment, and the temptation of metaphor

I’ve been thinking about how Christians tend to portray the eternal destinies of believers and unbelievers as either “bliss in the presence of God” or “torment away from God’s presence.”

So it’s bliss verses torment.

However, the Bible over and over portrays the distinction as between “life” and “death.” It is so amazingly common to see this; once I started noticing it I can’t unsee it.

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The gospel according to Acts

I’m writing this from a children’s home in Mexico, where I’m with a group of men who are constructing a multi-purpose building for the children. It’s very rewarding and will bless the kids, but that’s not what I’m thinking about tonight.

Instead, I keep thinking about a song the kids sang for us. It’s in Spanish, and you can find it online if you search on the first few words. I’ll provide the Spanish words, and then an English translation.

Dios me ama
Y he pecado
Y Christo murió por mí
Si yo le recibo seré su hijo
Y es su plan para mí

In English, it’s:

God loves me
And I have sinned
And Christ died for me
If I receive him, I will be his child
And this is his plan for me

It reminds me of the “Four Spiritual Laws” which I heard a lot as a high school student in youth group. They go something like this:

God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life.
Humanity is tainted by sin and is therefore separated from God.
Jesus Christ is God’s only provision for sin.
We must place our faith in Jesus Christ as savior in order to receive the gift of salvation.

It seems to me that while everything in the song and in the laws is true, it’s NOT what the apostles preached when they evangelized.

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God wants you to have lots of children

Try to think of a way in which God could communicate that he wants you to have lots of children. What would he say? What words could he use and what imagery could he employ?

Maybe he would tell you what a blessing children are. He could give examples of how having many children will improve our lives. He could contrast that with the devastation which comes from not having children. Maybe he would remind us of the joy we experience when we hear someone is pregnant, and the anticipation we have for the birth. He could promise that having many children is a direct result of our faithfulness and loyalty to him.

It seems to me that if God did everything in the above paragraph, it would be pretty clear that he is in favor of you having lots of children. And you probably guessed it already: that’s exactly what he did.

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